House Votes to Repeal Military Gay Ban

The House of Representatives voted Thursday night to allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the U.S. armed forces.

The vote repeals a 17-year-old law called “don’t ask, don’t tell.” The policy permitted gays and lesbians to serve in the military, so long as they did not declare their sexual orientation. In exchange, the military brass would not inquire service members about their sexual preference.

“This is devastating to the war fighters and the combat infantrymen,” said Rep. John Shimkus, R-Ill.

But many Democrats, like Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., likened the policy to race discrimination.

“It didn’t make sense then and it doesn’t make sense now,” said Lewis, a civil rights figure. “It is an affront to human dignity.”

The military has discharged some 13,000 service members since the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy went into effect.

Rep. Patrick Murphy, D-Penn., the first Iraq war veteran to serve in Congress, authored the House proposal.

Earlier Thursday, the Senate Armed Services Committee voted 16-12 to eliminate the old rule. Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, was the only Republican to vote in favor of repeal while Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., was the only Democrat to vote against the initiative that was attached to a $760 billion defense spending bill. 

“I’m excited. I can now join the military,” mused Rep. Jared Polis, D-Colo., the first person to be openly gay and then elected to Congress.

The vote was 234 to 194.

Reps. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., Ron Paul, R-Texas, Joseph Cao, R-La., and Charles Djou, R-Hawaii, were the only Republicans to vote in favor of scrapping the law.

The amendment was part of a broader bill to authorize Pentagon programs.

The House is expected to finish that measure Friday. Many House Republicans warned they’d vote against the entire bill if lawmakers repealed the ban on gays and lesbians serving openly.

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Good news this Friday morning(:(:(:(:

Although the oil leak in the Gulf has been tugging on all of our minds, the news is not all bad today.

I’m SO thankful for President Obama bringing this issue to the table.  It’s embarrassing for our nation, who deems itself a “free nation,” to have such a policy. 

Serving in the military is brave. ❤ Our men & women in uniform inspire us all to be grateful for our country & the daily lives we live. 

But we forget, sometimes, the bravery it takes to let it be known you are different.  Being open about homosexuality is brave. ❤  It takes a lot of bravery to be public about homosexuality.  Especially because in this great nation, the backlash can be very, very hurtful.

I’m proud of my country every day.  But today I’m proud of those reps in the House (which doesn’t happen often) who support gays & lesbians in the military.<3 Very proud.

Just in time for Memorial Day.(:  Do not forget to remember.  Remember the million+ men & women who have died for all of our freedoms.  Including the freedom to love who we choose.<3

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29 Responses to House Votes to Repeal Military Gay Ban

  1. therealgirlscout says:

    So good to hear this, Katie!!
    And yes, Happy Memorial Day to all who have served or are serving now! thank you!
    My weekend happiness will be slightly diminished by the DISASTER in the Gulf and with BP for fucking up our gulf of Mexico, beaches in MANY states, the fishing industry along the coast and all the marine life, in the water and on the shore, that will suffer because of these IDIOTS! Yeah, Drill, Baby, Drill……and screw up our natural wonders. thank goodness Obama has stopped further drilling in the Arctic Circle. At least the glaciers and polar bears are safe….for now.

  2. mzkatie says:

    I agree 100%, it’s a tragedy. The damage already is & will continue to be horrific. So, so sad.): I love so many things about the cities that surround the Gulf, in Florida & Lousiana. I’m literally crushed about whats happening to them.

    I’m all for drilling domestically to free us from foreign dependance, but there is no excuse for trashing our planet. I didn’t really know this could still happen? I actually don’t know much about drilling at all. Is there a difference between drilling in the ocean or on land? Because now I don’t think there should be any more drilling for oil in the ocean. It is NOT worth the risk at all.

  3. mzkatie says:

    Voting yes were 229 Democrats and 5 Republicans.
    Voting no were 26 Democrats and 168 Republicans.
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    OHIO:
    Democrats — Boccieri, Y; Driehaus, Y; Fudge, Y; Kaptur, Y; Kilroy, Y; Kucinich, Y; Ryan, Y; Space, Y; Sutton, Y; Wilson, Y.
    Republicans — Austria, N; Boehner, N; Jordan, N; LaTourette, N; Latta, N; Schmidt, N; Tiberi, N; Turner, N.

    • polarbear20 says:

      Republicans — Austria, N; Boehner, N; Jordan, N; LaTourette, N; Latta, N; Schmidt, N; Tiberi, N; Turner, N.

      When November comes around, I hope any of them up for reelection are gonna be looking for new jobs. Vote those assholes out.

      • mzkatie says:

        PB: “When November comes around, I hope any of them up for reelection are gonna be looking for new jobs.”

        My thoughts exaclty.

  4. polarbear20 says:

    Well it’s about time!! Obama promised this since before he was elected and I was starting to think he wasn’t going to follow through with it. 😉 But really, ending this law is 17 years too late. Now we have another “chapter of dark history” like segregation and slavery in our past.

    I heard something about this last night on Keith Olbermann. One of the christen whackjobs opposed to repealing DADT tried to say Hitler had gays in his army, as in “we can’t have gays in the military because… THE NAZIS DID!!” AHAHHHHH!! Which is beyond retarded because Hitler killed the gay people. When I heard that I knew the end of DADT was coming soon. There’s really no justification at all for supporting that bullshit law.

  5. therealgirlscout says:

    Why does it not surprise me that most republicans voted against this?

  6. Hacksaw says:

    I can tell you why Republicans voted “no” in force, it’s because they would prefer that the year long study that began in January be completed before a decision is made on this highly consequential issue. Exactly how objective is anyone involved with this survey going to be, knowing that the final decision has already been made? I believe that if the study was completed and then it was voted on, the bill would likely receive massive bipartisan support. All 4 of the service chiefs have requested that Congress not vote on repealing “Don’t ask, don’t tell” until the survey is completed, but Democrats are rushing this vote right now (probably seeking another “wedge” issue to use against Republicans who dare to oppose it) because they all know that after the November elections, they most likely will not have the votes to advance their radical social agenda. If they didn’t feel that they are about to lose control of 1 or both Houses of Congress, there is no way that Dems would be pushing to vote on this controversial policy right now with everything else that going on this summer, like the sudden push for immigration reform & a Supreme Court nomination fight.

    As a military retiree with many friends still in uniform & in combat zones, I have a personal interest in this issue and bitterly resent any political hack who is innocent of any military experience or expertise, or one with a political agenda that clouds their decisions trying to “fix” what is not even broken, and refusing to listen to the military professionals who do this kind of stuff for a living and have done so for about 2 decades or more. I’m talking about the numerous Officers & senior enlisted leaders who have spoken out against pursuing such a divisive issue that will affect the morale & discipline in our armed forces on a scale that no one can currently fathom, while we’re still in the middle of 2 wars. Our military is not currently broken, and it’s not like we’re doomed to lose all military conflicts unless we allow gays to openly serve. I also suspect that even if serving while openly gay were allowed, some homosexuals would still serve in silence to avoid making waves & alienating themselves from the majority of their peers. Others would go overboard in expressing themselves, and they would likely suffer a series of unfortunate “accidents”!

    I just wish that all the people who are eagerly pushing for a repeal of this policy but who have no clue of what military personnel go through on a day to day basis, would be forced to live in very close quarters with people they know or suspect are gay, to see how they like it. People living together and even suspecting that one or more of them are gay would lead to serious problems, even if no advances are ever made. Just imagine the “wisdom” of billeting male & female troops in the same room together, and start from there!

    • polarbear20 says:

      I can tell you why Republicans voted “no” in force, it’s because they would prefer that the year long study that began in January be completed before a decision is made on this highly consequential issue. Exactly how objective is anyone involved with this survey going to be, knowing that the final decision has already been made?

      Oh who gives a shit about the year long study. We don’t need a day long study of something we already know. There’s no good reason at all to openly discriminate against homosexuals in the military. 17 years of this modern day witch hunt is more than enough of a “study” on the subject.

      I believe that if the study was completed and then it was voted on, the bill would likely receive massive bipartisan support.

      Oh yeah right. Just like a health care bill would get ‘massive bipartisan support’ if Democrats listened to the right wing and “started it over”. All this year study is was an attempt to buy time until the next scheme is ready.

      (probably seeking another “wedge” issue to use against Republicans who dare to oppose it)

      It’s not a wedge issue. It’s a simple yes or no issue. Either you are opposed to open discrimination against homosexuals or you’re not. You conservatives seem to have a problem with these easy questions. Rand Paul would be in a much better place now had he answered “yes or no” to Dr. Maddow. 😉

      bitterly resent any political hack who is innocent of any military experience or expertise, or one with a political agenda that clouds their decisions trying to “fix” what is not even broken

      As long as the system allows discrimination to happen, or in this case makes it the law, the military IS broken. Do you not call a military that discharges people such as Lt. Dan Choi for being homosexual yet allows people like the Fort Hood shooter to stay, broken?

      I’m talking about the numerous Officers & senior enlisted leaders who have spoken out against pursuing such a divisive issue that will affect the morale & discipline in our armed forces on a scale that no one can currently fathom

      It’s statements like that which provide even more reason to NOT listen to the “military professionals”. I hear this alot but do not understand? How the FUCK will having a gay person, or especially an openly gay person affect morale? Seriously, if someone is that much of a FUCKING ASSHOLE they do not deserve to be in our military. I mean really, if you’re that bothered because a person is gay, you need serious pyschological help. I mean really, if you’re “afraid” of a gay person, you’re really gonna shit your pants when people start shooting and throwing bombs at you on the front lines. lol

      I also suspect that even if serving while openly gay were allowed, some homosexuals would still serve in silence to avoid making waves & alienating themselves from the majority of their peers.

      Well then, that would be their own personal CHOICE, not out of necessity of fear of losing their job. Besides, a big reason why they are being alienated is this instutional discrimination that punishes them for coming out. Take away that instutional discrimination, you slowly lessen the social stigma, eventually homosexuality will become ‘mainstream’ enough in the military to avoid problems. It’s just like segregation, you stop labeling people separately as ‘black’ and ‘white’ and eventually you start seeing people as just PEOPLE.

      Others would go overboard in expressing themselves, and they would likely suffer a series of unfortunate “accidents”!

      Good, anyone responsible for those “accidents” will get to face hate crimes charges, just like in the real world, the civilian world. And eventually those “accidents” will decrease.

      I just wish that all the people who are eagerly pushing for a repeal of this policy but who have no clue of what military personnel go through on a day to day basis, would be forced to live in very close quarters with people they know or suspect are gay, to see how they like it.

      I’d do that. I don’t care if they’re gay. Makes no difference to me. Besides, a gay guy would porbly be much cleaner than a straight guy. (shame on me for stereotyping!)

      People living together and even suspecting that one or more of them are gay would lead to serious problems, even if no advances are ever made.

      Are all conservatives that immature about sex? Seriously, I don’t think I know anyone who acts as weird as a conservative on the issue of sex.

    • mzkatie says:

      Hacksaw: “People living together and even suspecting that one or more of them are gay would lead to serious problems, even if no advances are ever made.”
      .
      All your preaching about how you know the military so well & understand military life so much better than everyone else who lacks that experience just became IRRELEVANT with one sentence. You scream “ignorance” when politicians & people with no military background speak on this issue? Well, I’ll scream ignorance right back. The above sentence explains why.
      .
      Gay people are NOT interested in making advances on straight people!! Why it is even nessecary to point this out is BEYOND me.

  7. therealgirlscout says:

    My husband was in the service and he is as happy as I am that this passed. A year long study?? For what?? To verify that gays are discriminated against by not being able to live their life the way they choose? If some gays want to keep their sexuality quiet, then fine. It’s their choice. If others go overboard “expressing themselves”? Oh well….tough shit! A lot of heterosexuals express themselves in various ways while in the service that may not be acceptable to others. Like any microcosm of a group of people, there are weirdo’s in every bunch.
    “People living together with gays would lead to serious problems” Really??? What serious problems would they encounter now, that they haven’t encountered before? Do you think that the gay servicemen and women will completely change their personality and go balistic because they don’t have to keep their sexuality a secret now? Paranoia will destroy ya….

    • polarbear20 says:

      A lot of heterosexuals express themselves in various ways while in the service that may not be acceptable to others.

      Exactly!! What about when I gotta hear some dumb jock bragging about how manly he is because of all the chicks he’s had sex with? Or any other ridiculous meathead macho thing? And I’m not even talking about military service here. 😉

      People are assholes regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.

  8. therealgirlscout says:

    So, the Democrats pushed this through too fast, in order to avoid November elections when they would not have the votes to promote their agenda? GOOD FOR THEM! One could turn that around and say the republicans voted against it, because they wanted to wait for the November elections to promote THEIR agenda. Either way, each party is pushing their agenda. The Democrats just beat you to it this time.

  9. therealgirlscout says:

    Okay, pb, why are the comments showing up out of order? I made a comment after hacksaw’s, and now when I checked back, YOUR comment is after hacksaw’s and mine got pushed down. Not a big deal – just wondering if I was imagining this !

  10. Hacksaw says:

    “Oh who gives a shit about the year long study. We don’t need a day long study of something we already know. There’s no good reason at all to openly discriminate against homosexuals in the military. 17 years of this modern day witch hunt is more than enough of a “study” on the subject.”

    If the study is such a waste of time, why was it called for in the first place? This is just one more in a long line of political decisions on topics in which politics should not be involved, it’s an unnecessarily tinkering with our military at a time in which brave volunteers are still fighting & dying all around the globe. It’s like the Administration’s insane desire to import battle trained terrorists into our country and give them civilian trials, it’s a political decision on a national security issue that could potentially have devastating consequences, and get innocent people killed .

    “ Oh yeah right. Just like a health care bill would get ‘massive bipartisan support’ if Democrats listened to the right wing and “started it over”. All this year study is was an attempt to buy time until the next scheme is ready.”

    If the healthcare law had been done right and not pushed through with outright lies about it’s cost & undisguised bribes, it would’ve received bi-partisan support but despite the fact that it is 1/6th of our entire economy, these folks felt the need to force it through against the will of the majority of the American people. There are numerous medical professionals who have stated that they will leave the profession if this law is not repealed or stricken down by the courts, just as there are military professionals who have stated that they will leave the service if this unnecessary social experiment is forced upon them. Driving well trained & competent people out of our most critical fields like health care providers or our armed forces will not bode well for this country in the long, or even short run.

    “It’s not a wedge issue. It’s a simple yes or no issue. Either you are opposed to open discrimination against homosexuals or you’re not. You conservatives seem to have a problem with these easy questions. Rand Paul would be in a much better place now had he answered “yes or no” to Dr. Maddow.”

    It is a wedge issue, or else there is no way it would be pursued right now and as for Dr. Rand Paul, he is still leading in his race for the Senate by a large margin so I don’t see how his honest response has harmed him all that much.

    “As long as the system allows discrimination to happen, or in this case makes it the law, the military IS broken. Do you not call a military that discharges people such as Lt. Dan Choi for being homosexual yet allows people like the Fort Hood shooter to stay, broken?”

    Exactly how is our military broken, because I see us winning every military conflict we engage in and as for Lt Choi, he is just another dishonest Officer who let the government pay for their college & expensive job skill training, with the agreement that they will serve a certain number of years (usually at least 6 to 8 years) in uniform as a highly skilled commissioned Officer performing the duties that the American taxpayer financed, and they all keep their mouths shut and accept all the educational benefits and salary as a commissioned Officer, until their training is complete and then they decide that they don’t want to be in the Army, Navy or what-not so then they suddenly “announce” that they’re gay because they actually want to be discharged, and they know that is one quick & easy way. If they were forced to re-pay the hundreds of thousands of dollars that the government invested in them, I guarantee this would not happen so often. It’s just as bad as deserting, and should be punished as such.

    “It’s statements like that which provide even more reason to NOT listen to the “military professionals”. I hear this alot but do not understand? How the FUCK will having a gay person, or especially an openly gay person affect morale? Seriously, if someone is that much of a FUCKING ASSHOLE they do not deserve to be in our military. I mean really, if you’re that bothered because a person is gay, you need serious pyschological help. I mean really, if you’re “afraid” of a gay person, you’re really gonna shit your pants when people start shooting and throwing bombs at you on the front lines. lol”

    This is obviously a subject that you lack knowledge of, it’s not that the brave patriots who volunteer to serve our country in uniform and risk their lives in doing so are afraid of homosexuals but I guarantee you that if this unnecessary social experiment is forced upon our military, it will definitely affect morale & welfare and if you personally know anyone who is currently serving, they would likely agree.

    We’ve kinda been down this road before, back in 1992. Bill Clinton ran for President and promised the gay activists whose votes he sought that if elected, he would kill the gay ban. Before “don’t ask, don’t tell”, you recruiter would actually ask you about your sexual orientation while you were enlisting, and if you claimed to be gay, you would not enter the service. Once in, if you were discovered to be (or announced) that you were gay, you were discharged. In the last month of the campaign and before Clinton was even elected, he expressed his intention to issue an executive order repealing the ban and once inaugurated, he did just that but then had to repeal it as the Joint Chiefs all threatened to resign. Bill Clinton was nothing if not a good, pragmatic politician so he let the Congress do what it was originally intended for, and we ended up with the legislation now known as “don’t ask, don’t tell (and don’t pursue)”.

    Even worse, before Clinton was even inaugurated, gay activist groups started “calling their shot” and making all kinds of asinine demands of things they wanted like combat exclusion for gays, homosexual only units & barracks, gay quotas at the military academies like Annapolis & West Point, and other junk.

    “ Well then, that would be their own personal CHOICE, not out of necessity of fear of losing their job. Besides, a big reason why they are being alienated is this instutional discrimination that punishes them for coming out. Take away that instutional discrimination, you slowly lessen the social stigma, eventually homosexuality will become ‘mainstream’ enough in the military to avoid problems. It’s just like segregation, you stop labeling people separately as ‘black’ and ‘white’ and eventually you start seeing people as just PEOPLE.”

    It amuses me that you are now all of a sudden sensitive to racial issues, because normally all you do is categorize people and accuse everyone who criticizes this incompetent boob who lied his way into the White House of not liking him simply because of his race. Speaking of race & the military though, a little bit before I enlisted, they started having classes on racial discrimination. The intent was okay, but the application of it was poor. For a long time afterward every single disagreement between a White person and a Black person was considered a “racial incident” and had to be investigated as such. You and I could have fought over a woman, a spilled beer, or how to do your job and it would be considered a racial incident! That’s crazy and it will happen again if these changes are made – they always lead to “knee-jerk” overreactions. There could be a fight between two people over any normal issue and if one of them just happens to be gay, even if the other person doesn’t even know, it would be treated as a “hate crime” and one person would be severely punished, while the other one walks for committing the very same offense. That’s the way it already is with our federal hate crime laws, and the military would just follow suit and making mountains out of molehills.

    As for the homosexuals who would choose to serve in silence, they would do so because they know that if a person has been keeping a secret like that from everyone who knows them in uniform and then it is revealed, it doesn’t change that particular person or their proficiency at all, but it would change everyone’s perception of them. Time built bonds of trust & respect would be instantly weakened if not totally broken, after all there is a very good reason that there are no openly gay athletes playing competitive team sports in America, those who feel the need to “out” themselves, do so when their playing days are over.

    “ Good, anyone responsible for those “accidents” will get to face hate crimes charges, just like in the real world, the civilian world. And eventually those “accidents” will decrease.”

    Once again, you display your complete ignorance of military life – it is very unique and in the civilian world, there is nothing else like it!

    “I’d do that. I don’t care if they’re gay. Makes no difference to me. Besides, a gay guy would porbly be much cleaner than a straight guy. (shame on me for stereotyping!)”

    If you were willingly making the choice to live with some guy who was probably checking you out with “intentions”, it probably wouldn’t bother you. If it were forced upon you against your will, it would.

    “ Are all conservatives that immature about sex? Seriously, I don’t think I know anyone who acts as weird as a conservative on the issue of sex.”

    It’s not just about sex, but on that unseemly topic, people do not realize the friction that will develop with 19 year old men living together when one is gay and one is not. Aside from the perceived differences in morality, just being practical, straight men & women, and gay men & women can work together without significant problems, but requiring them tolive together for extended periods in 2 or 3 person rooms is begging for serious trouble. When they go to the field for training or combat deployments, they will live in very close quarters (or tents) together for extended periods, more than a year at times.

  11. Hacksaw says:

    “ So, the Democrats pushed this through too fast, in order to avoid November elections when they would not have the votes to promote their agenda? GOOD FOR THEM! One could turn that around and say the republicans voted against it, because they wanted to wait for the November elections to promote THEIR agenda. Either way, each party is pushing their agenda. The Democrats just beat you to it this time.”

    Yeah, good for them, they forced some unpopular legislation (the healthcare law) through strictly on a party-line vote and still needed to lie about it’s ultimate cost and bribe certain Democrats in order to get it passed, and even though it will definitely cost a lot of Congresspersons their seats and most likely the Democrats losing control of the House of Representatives and possibly even the Senate, GOOD FOR THEM!

    Dictators “rule” against the will of the people, and they often get overthrown and sometimes killed because of it. In other countries, the people take up arms and “storm the Bastille”, in America we depose our tyrants via the ballot box but we get rid of them just the same!

  12. Princess says:

    How the FUCK will having a gay person, or especially an openly gay person affect morale? wow PB, you really are clueless aren’t you?
    again, i ask all you gay proponents, why do homosexuals feel like they have to ADVERTISE to ANYONE that they ARE gay? who gives a SHIT?
    when was the last time you heard or saw someone making such a big dammed deal about being heterosexual? and even if you DID see or hear it, why would you give a SHIT?
    there is a MORAL issue here……….and in the military, especially during battle, how can one trust someone who has such a HUGE moral problem?
    there is also a biblical issue. how in the world is a CHRISTIAN soldier, who believes in GOD & lives GOD’S word supposed to trust or respect someone who is living an “abomination”?
    regardless of whether you libs like it or not, our military subscribes to CHRISTIAN values. quietly, so you libs will leave it alone.
    and then of course, there’s also the housing issue. how to house a gay man next to a straight man? how to expect a straight man to shower next to a gay man? especially when the gay man is shouting at the top of his lungs (figuratively) I’M GAY!!! I LOVE MEN!!! I HAVE SEX WITH MEN!!!!!

    • polarbear20 says:

      wow PB, you really are clueless aren’t you?

      I’m clueless, lol. YOU’RE clueless and homophobic. You also say:

      when was the last time you heard or saw someone making such a big dammed deal about being heterosexual? and even if you DID see or hear it, why would you give a SHIT?

      So why do you give a shit about someone making a big deal about being homosexual? The maturity level of you people amazes me.

      there is a MORAL issue here……….and in the military, especially during battle, how can one trust someone who has such a HUGE moral problem?

      Right there, you are a HOMOPHOBE!! Nobody but a right wing, christen, gay hating homophobe would say they have a “moral problem”. And what about straight guys? What about some guy that fucks a different chick every night of the week? Or is cheating on his gf? How can I trust someone like that during battle?

      Are you for real? A moral problem, trusting someone? Well, sorry Ellen DeGeneres, we don’t “trust” you. Guess they’re gonna have to redo this season of American Idol, since obviously we can’t trust the judgement of a homosexual. What if you had a homosexual doctor or nurse? Would you disregard everything they say and see someone else because “you can’t trust someone with a moral problem like that”? Get real!!

      how in the world is a CHRISTIAN soldier, who believes in GOD & lives GOD’S word supposed to trust or respect someone who is living an “abomination”?

      And you really wanna know why “they” hate us? Because of people like you saying shit like that. Christen soldier, MY FUCKING HAIRY ASS!!! The men and women in uniform for the US are UNITED STATES soldiers, NOT “christen soldiers”. That’s one thing that truly disturbs me, the fact people out there think this is a christen army. No wonder they hate us, it’s like another goddamn crusade!! Christen vs. Muslim.

      What about the atheist soldier? Betcha can’t trust him either!! 😉

      regardless of whether you libs like it or not, our military subscribes to CHRISTIAN values. quietly

      And that’s wrong. So it’s time to scream until the stank of organized insanity are gone. And way to be “quiet” with a LOUD AND CLEAR discriminatory policy like DADT.

      and then of course, there’s also the housing issue. how to house a gay man next to a straight man? how to expect a straight man to shower next to a gay man?

      Uhhh, the same way you house two striaght men. WHY IS THIS A BIG DEAL!!! I’m being 100% fucking serious, I have no clue at all why a gay man and a straight man sleeping in close proximity is a big deal??? What, they’re afraid someone is gonna make a “pass” at them or something? I’ve slept(not that way, get your mind out of the gutter) with straight guys before, nobody made as big a deal of this as you do.

      As for showering, I’d be just as uncomfortable showering in front of a gay guy as a straight guy. I don;t care about sexual orientation, I like my privacy. 😉

      especially when the gay man is shouting at the top of his lungs (figuratively) I’M GAY!!! I LOVE MEN!!! I HAVE SEX WITH MEN!!!!!

      Obviously you’ve never been around gay people.

    • mzkatie says:

      Princess: “how in the world is a CHRISTIAN soldier, who believes in GOD & lives GOD’S word supposed to trust or respect someone who is living an “abomination”?”

      How in the world is a Christian soldier, who believes in God & God’s word, supposed to trust the men who cheat on their wives? How is a Christian soldier supposed to trust a Muslim soldier? How is a Christian soldier supposed to trust a soldier whose mother had him out of wedlock, for he is an “abomination”?

      Please refer to PB’s comment: “And what about straight guys? What about some guy that fucks a different chick every night of the week? Or is cheating on his gf? How can I trust someone like that during battle?”

      I personally know a Marine who CHEATS on his wife. He’s deserted her mentally, emotionally, & financially. She raises their 1yr old daughter (who he has NO realtionship with) alone, with no financial help. Just because people are straight, does not mean their morals are.

      My boss knew that I was a 19yr old single mother when he hired me. Everyone in my department knows my son. No one told me that I couldn’t be hired for having a baby when I wasn’t married, let alone a legal adult. My coworkers haven’t started a petition for me to take down the pictures I have of me and my son in my office. They don’t care that I rep my handsome “abomination” baby. My dayare knows all the same, and they didn’t turn my son away for being an “abomination.” I would hope that if he is gay, his high school would not turn him away either.

  13. therealgirlscout says:

    Once again, your “moral” issue boils down to a “religious” issue, and we have seperation of Church & State.
    Why do they advertise? First, not all of them do. Just like some heterosexual men brag about their sexual exploits and some do not. Second, they may “advertise” as you say, because they aren’t getting the same rights as other citizens.
    In the military, how can they trust someone who has a moral problem? It’s only a moral problem is some people’s eyes. Stating that homosexuals are not moral is only your opinion.
    A Christian soldier should have no problem with his beliefs. If he follows the words of Jesus, he loves his neighbor as himself.
    Showering with a gay man??!! LMAO! Most gay men I know are only interested in other gay men – not someone who isn’t interested, like a heterosexual.

  14. myfoxmystere says:

    I’m sure that Barney Frank is happy that this passed…maybe he’ll be recruiting for his own personal army now!

  15. Hacksaw says:

    Are you for real? A moral problem, trusting someone? Well, sorry Ellen DeGeneres, we don’t “trust” you. Guess they’re gonna have to redo this season of American Idol, since obviously we can’t trust the judgement of a homosexual. What if you had a homosexual doctor or nurse? Would you disregard everything they say and see someone else because “you can’t trust someone with a moral problem like that”? Get real!!

    You don’t live with your American Idol host, doctor, nurse, cop, firefighter or accountant but at times, you do work & live with the people that you serve with in the armed forces.

    As for showering, I’d be just as uncomfortable showering in front of a gay guy as a straight guy. I don;t care about sexual orientation, I like my privacy. 😉

    That’s part of the problem, in the service when you go to the field or deploy overseas for combat operations, you don’t often get your “space” or your “privacy”. You live in very close quarters and at times you shit, shower & shave with your brothers in arms. In situations like that, you definitely don’t want them checking you out or fantasizing about being with you.

    Obviously you’ve never been around gay people.

    It’s not just about allowing gay people to serve in the armed forces, they already do but as mentioned before, back in 1992 when Bill Clinton got elected in part by promising the kill the gay ban, before he even took office a lot of gay activist groups started making all kinds of insane demands of things they wanted like combat exclusion for homosexuals, gay quotas at the military colleges like the Naval Academy at Annapolis & or the Military Academy at West Point, homosexual only units & billeting, and other items on their perverted “wish list”. For them, it’s not about gays being allowed to serve openly, it’s about making a statement and we don’t need that right now, especially in the middle of 2 wars and numerous other U.S. military commitments around the globe.

  16. mzkatie says:

    Hacksaw: “Our military is not currently broken, and it’s not like we’re doomed to lose all military conflicts unless we allow gays to openly serve. I also suspect that even if serving while openly gay were allowed, some homosexuals would still serve in silence to avoid making waves & alienating themselves from the majority of their peers. Others would go overboard in expressing themselves, and they would likely suffer a series of unfortunate “accidents”!”
    .
    I’d like everyone to please take note of Hacksaw’s comment, because our country is not currently “broken” either. Our success as a nation does not depend on allowing gay people to be joined in a “civil union.” I suspect that some homosexuals living in this country, do so without displaying rainbow flags to avoid making waves within their communities. We all know that many homosexuals don’t care much about making waves, and put their sexuality on display for all to see.
    .
    Race is no longer discriminated against (legally). Same with religion. Same with gender. Guess what? Sexual orientation IS following. You may not like it. I’m sure that slave owners didn’t like it when their slaves were given rights. I’m sure that controlling men didn’t like it when their wives were given rights either. I’m sure that white, narrowminded, racist military members didn’t LIKE serving next to black ones. How could a white man trust a black man? Hahaha please. It’s 2010. The majority of the country is over it. It’s time to move on. Give everyone their rights, and keep the Bible OUT of our LAWS.
    .
    Princess, Hybrid, Hacksaw… I hope that your children “conform.” Not only your children, but your grandchildren, and so on. I would hate to see the way a great-great-grandchild of any you is treated within your family for being gay. I pity the size of your hearts and each of your blind eyes.

  17. therealgirlscout says:

    You go, girl! (Clapping for Katie……..)

  18. Princess says:

    How is a Christian soldier supposed to trust a soldier whose mother had him out of wedlock, for he is an “abomination”? no where does the bible say that a child born out of wedlock is an abomination……………why don’t you actually READ the thing BEFORE you try to twist some more of your BALONEY OUT of it?

    I would hate to see the way a great-great-grandchild of any you is treated within your family for being gay. now katie, i guess you must have missed the part where i said repeatedly……………….LOVE the sinner HATE the sin.

    i DO have a niece that is “confused” about this very subject. that doesn’t make me love her less, nor does it make me treat her any differently. she is my niece & i love her. end of story. that doesn’t mean i support her CHOICE in lifestyle.

    and please, all you supporters of this, please explain why a homosexuals rights are trumping everyone else’s.
    hack is right………but of course, not ONE of you have served………so you really DON’T know. and yes, i know girly that the silver fox did, MANY MANY years ago & is now in support of this………but would he have been when he DID serve?

    we are ALL human and we ALL sin……….sin is sin is sin. that doesn’t make anyone better than anyone else. so, again, i ask WHAT IS THE BIG FRIGGIN DEAL? MOST people don’t give a SHIT who is “diddling” who…………….so why is it such a BIG FRIGGIN DEAL?

    • mzkatie says:

      I remember you telling me over & over that LOVE is a CHOICE, that LOVE is a VERB, an ACTION. It is something you DO.

      You love your niece. But you never want to see her marry the woman she loves or join the military without lying about her sexuality.

      Love is a verb. If I was your neice, I would NOT feel loved.

  19. therealgirlscout says:

    It’s a big friggin deal because it is who they are, yet they have to keep “quiet” about it. Simple as that.
    Silver Fox’s response to your comment? You’re wrong. He would have felt the same way.

  20. Princess says:

    But you never want to see her marry the woman she loves
    or join the military without lying about her sexuality

    first, she doesn’t WANT to marry ANYONE………..that’s HER choice. and if she CHOSE to do so, i would still LOVE her……..and she KNOWS this. ALL of this.

    and who gives a SHIT about her “sexuality” in the military?

    again, why is someone’s CHOICE in sexual partners such a big friggin deal? no one gives a CRAP who’s diddling who……..

    katie, are you going to tell everyone here WHO you are having sex with? even if you would (i’m sure you won’t you have more class than that) would it make any difference to any of US? certainly NOT (i would hope not)

    i believe that all of us like you for WHO you are, not WHAT you are. get the point?

  21. Princess says:

    ahem, key word there is CHOICE………

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