Don’t Repeal ‘Don’t Ask’

I know that our government still cannot be bothered to even consider the consider the views of the people who the proposed repeal of “Don’t ask, don’t tell” will directly affect the most (our troops) but I will continue to give a few of them the chance to air their views on this controversial subject.

This author is a Lieutenant Colonel in the Marines, who is still currently serving on active duty. He brings up some very good points about the discrimatory “hiring” practices of our armed forces, the existing laws prohibiting “sodomy” being practiced and in this day & age in which our military is made up completely of volunteers, they can be as selective as they choose to be to suit their needs. I saw a lot of this when I served as a Recruiter, but it’s not as if every American has right to serve in our armed forces. Just like the professional sports teams that many of us enjoy watching, “Uncle Sam” can be as picky as he wants in collecting the proper personnel to achieve our collective goals, which in this case is the defense of the Nation.

Don’t repeal ‘don’t ask’
By Lt. Col. Alex Chatman

Democrats in Congress are rushing to pass legislation repealing “don’t ask, don’t tell,” perhaps because they fear they won’t have the majority they’d need to pass this legislation after the Pentagon’s current review is complete later this year.

For them, it may be a civil rights issue. But for many of us in uniform, it’s an issue of great concern, for a variety of reasons:

Existing laws

By going forward with the repeal, existing laws will have to be changed, including Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice — which declares sodomy a punishable crime and can serve as the basis for separation from military service.

The intent of Article 125 was to preserve good order and discipline as well as dignity. To remove or amend laws like this is immoral. Is the next step to demand that the public, the law, medicine, psychiatry, religion and other social institutions unquestioningly accept these acts as normal?

Where did we get such laws? The same place as our Founding Fathers who shaped this country — the Bible. Romans Chapter 1 provides good insight as to why we should not change this law.

Open Discrimination

Some paint this as an issue of discrimination. The fact is, the military is one of the most openly discriminating organizations within the federal government. The military discriminates based on age, height, weight and intelligence. Thus, openly discriminating on how people conduct themselves sexually is perfectly acceptable.

Unit Readiness

With the requirement to maintain a higher level of readiness rates, military units can find themselves in a bind if a service member becomes infected with HIV.

Those who have been infected with HIV are protected by law from having to disclose their illness. Unfortunately, if one member is infected and has sexual relations with others in the unit, then multiple members can be infected — not only reducing readiness rates, but severely affecting morale.

Furthermore, studies show that homosexual relationships are, by and large, not monogamous, which elevates this even more as a viable concern. A recent report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women.

Critical jobs

Some proponents of repeal base their argument on the idea that we have needlessly separated military members who were performing critical jobs.

That may be true. However, we have lost more personnel in critical jobs — and in jobs in general — based on weight standards. Furthermore, the most recent statistics do not bear out the conclusion that the loss of homosexuals serving in the military has an adverse affect. Being homosexual, in and of itself, does not qualify an individual for any particular skill-set within the military.

Good order and discipline

Units look to remove as many distractions as possible in order to ensure good order and discipline. Addressing the distractions that come with openly serving homosexuals would be problematic, especially in close quarters such as berthing, showers and restrooms.

Keeping men’s and women’s facilities separate helps maintain good order and discipline. What do you do when some service members object to having openly gay people among them in these areas? This situation will not help foster or maintain good order and discipline.

Lawmakers already have begun their push to change the law. But there is still time to change their minds. If you think like I do, ask your congressman to answer this question: How will removing the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy help our service members achieve mission success in the defense of our nation?

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6 Responses to Don’t Repeal ‘Don’t Ask’

  1. therealgirlscout says:

    My, My, My….that’s a lot of fancy rhetoric for: WE DISLIKE GAY PEOPLE!!

  2. hybridtalk1 says:

    This is a wicked and adulterous generation. Our generation consists of those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

    The storm is coming.

  3. therealgirlscout says:

    Every generation has had wicked and adulterous people. We are now no worse or no better than our predecessors. Where’s your sandwich board declaring, “THE END IS NEAR!” ? I’ve been hearing that a lot lately from right wing Christians. It’s that conservative paranoia kicking in again.

  4. mzkatie says:

    EXISTING LAWS
    In the 1950s all states had some form of law criminalizing sodomy. Beginning with Illinois in 1961, state legislators & courts began repealing/overturning their sodomy laws. In 2003, only 10 states had laws prohibiting all sodomy, and 4 additional states had laws prohibiting same-sex sodomy. Also in 2003, the US Sepreme Court invalidated these laws as being an UNCONSTITUTIONAL violation of privacy.
    The ONLY “argument” the US armed forces has for having a sodomy law in place is to protect “good order & discipline.” There is no proof that allowing gays to serve openly will effect “good order & discipline.” So.. weak argument.

    OPEN DISCRIMINATION
    No matter how much crying my 3yr old does, he still can’t ride the bumper cars at the fair because he’s not tall enough yet. That is not discrimination. That is safety.
    Age, height, weight, & intellegence.. all comes down to safety & how you will perform your duties. How a person conducts themselves sexually does not effect how well they do their JOB, whether in the military or not. Just because a guy is cheating on his wife with 20 other women does not mean he can’t shoot a gun straight, or maybe hit a golf ball straight.
    WEAK argument.

    UNIT READINESS
    “..studies show that homosexual relationships are, by and large, not monogamous..”
    Well, my own study shows that I personally know a handful of military guys who have cheated on their wives, & two handfuls of military wives that have been cheated on. Heterosexual, monogamous relationships do not always stay that way.
    Perhaps HIV runs higher in homosexual men, but there is not a doubt in my mind that straight military guys are running around with their own mutant strands of STDs.
    WEAK.

    CRITICAL JOBS
    “Being homosexual, in and of itself, does not qualify an individual for any particular skill-set within the military.”
    Nor does it disqualify them… WEAK.

    GOOD ORDER & DISCIPLINE
    Like I said at the top, there is no PROOF that the repeal of DADT will wreak havoc on the military’s discipline.

    More than anything,.. I think the people who oppose the repeal of DADT are scared that it will end up working out just fine.

  5. Hacksaw says:

    EXISTING LAWS
    In the 1950s all states had some form of law criminalizing sodomy. Beginning with Illinois in 1961, state legislators & courts began repealing/overturning their sodomy laws. In 2003, only 10 states had laws prohibiting all sodomy, and 4 additional states had laws prohibiting same-sex sodomy. Also in 2003, the US Sepreme Court invalidated these laws as being an UNCONSTITUTIONAL violation of privacy.
    The ONLY “argument” the US armed forces has for having a sodomy law in place is to protect “good order & discipline.” There is no proof that allowing gays to serve openly will effect “good order & discipline.” So.. weak argument.

    There is also no proof that allowing gays to openly serve will not effect good order & discipline, because it is more likely than not that it will, and in a very noticeable fashion.

    The Uniform Code of Military Justice (or UCMJ for short) is a judicial system in itself, and it is how our armed forces are governed. Military personnel are subject to the UCMJ, civilians are not but it does provide the basis for the good order & discipline that our armed forces are known for. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm

    There are plenty of offenses that are “crimes” in the military but not any civilian justice system. Sodomy is one of them, adultery is another. (Sodomy laws were not repealed in some States until as late as 2002, the Supreme Court struck down the rest in 14 different States the following year) Others include fraudulent enlistment, misbehavior before the enemy, conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman, aiding the enemy, desertion or absence without leave. Many violations of the UCMJ can be punishable by death, especially during a time of war.

    OPEN DISCRIMINATION
    No matter how much crying my 3yr old does, he still can’t ride the bumper cars at the fair because he’s not tall enough yet. That is not discrimination. That is safety.
    Age, height, weight, & intellegence.. all comes down to safety & how you will perform your duties. How a person conducts themselves sexually does not effect how well they do their JOB, whether in the military or not. Just because a guy is cheating on his wife with 20 other women does not mean he can’t shoot a gun straight, or maybe hit a golf ball straight.
    WEAK argument.

    Actually, servicemembers can be discharged for failure to meet acceptable height & weight standards, no matter how well they can perform their assigned specialty. It’s not always a matter of safety, if you simply cannot present an acceptable uniform appearance, that alone could be grounds to send you packing no matter how fast you can run or how many pushups you can perform.

    Oddly enough, your status as a single mother would also disqualify you from enlisting in the military. Simply having a boyfriend would not do the trick either. If you wanted to join up and you were not married at the time, you would actually have to have someone legally adopt your son, for the amount of time that it took for you to complete both basic training and your military occupational specialty school. Once those were completed and you were assigned to a base somewhere, you could then “adopt” your own child back and the government would then finance the food, lodging, medical care & other needs for both you & your son. In my entire career, I only know one person who actually did all this, most single mothers just won’t jump through all those hoops for the privilege of serving in our armed forces – bear in mind it is a privilege, not a right which is why the services can be as selective as they choose when selecting who to accept and who to reject of the people who volunteer to serve. If the opportunity to serve in the military were a right and not a privilege, there would be no need for the physical, mental or moral restrictions that determine exactly who can serve and who cannot. It’s kind of like a professional sports team and oddly enough, there are also no openly gay athletes playing any professional team sport. If they feel the need to come out of the closet, they always choose to do so after their playing days are done so I guess most of our sports heroes are “homophobes” as well. This could also be why we don’t billet men & women together either, it’s not because of any sense of sexism, it’s simply common sense.

    UNIT READINESS
    “..studies show that homosexual relationships are, by and large, not monogamous..”
    Well, my own study shows that I personally know a handful of military guys who have cheated on their wives, & two handfuls of military wives that have been cheated on. Heterosexual, monogamous relationships do not always stay that way.
    Perhaps HIV runs higher in homosexual men, but there is not a doubt in my mind that straight military guys are running around with their own mutant strands of STDs.
    WEAK.

    Adultery is also a violation of the UCMJ, if instances of it are known by the command, the offender could be severely punished because it is detrimental to good order & discipline. In the military, very close personal relationships are formed, not only between the troops but their families as well. Spouses & families care for and look out for each other, especially when a unit deploys and leaves many lonely, worried families at home. I’m not going to sit here and say that adultery does not occur in the military, that would be a lie but it is often frowned upon, especially if the affair is with another servicemember’s spouse – that just ruins morale & destroys trust, and instances that can be proven (and it’s not all that hard) are usually dealt with quite harshly.

    CRITICAL JOBS
    “Being homosexual, in and of itself, does not qualify an individual for any particular skill-set within the military.”
    Nor does it disqualify them… WEAK.

    It does if they lie about it, it’s called “fraudulent enlistment”. These days, they just discharge you but back in the WWII days, they would court martial & imprison you first, and then kick you out. Many jobs in the military these days also require a security clearance, and the obligatory background check before it is granted. Homosexuality is one of the factors that can preclude one from being granted a clearance, along with a history substance abuse, mental instability or financial problems. All of these “factors” can make someone a lot more susceptible to be coerced, blackmailed or otherwise compromised by a hostile foreign intelligence service.

    GOOD ORDER & DISCIPLINE
    Like I said at the top, there is no PROOF that the repeal of DADT will wreak havoc on the military’s discipline.

    More than anything,.. I think the people who oppose the repeal of DADT are scared that it will end up working out just fine.

    The proof will be in the pudding, if we are foolish enough to open that “Pandora’s box”, especially without careful consideration and much preparation. It’s the great unknown, with potentially disastrous consequences. Most of the people screaming for this policy to be repealed have never served, and don’t ever plan to. The proper time to inflict social experiments on our brave troops is not while they are engaged in two foreign wars with other potential ones (like against North Korea, Syria or possibly even Iran) looming.

    Pentagon leaders recently wrote a letter to Congress recommending further planning before any official switch is made. The letter was co-signed by Defense Secretary Robert Gates. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen also opposes a hasty repeal. Several service Chiefs have spoken out against repealing it at all, they know what it will result in for their respective services. Both Secretary Gates & Admiral Mullen favor eventually repealing DADT, just not in the rushed manner in which it is currently being pursued. For people who are in or closely associated with the military, this is not a political issue like it is for the President & his Party. If President Obama truly cared about this particular policy, he would’ve moved to repeal it much sooner like Bill Clinton did. It was in fact, the very first policy initiative that Clinton pursued.

    When Obama first took office, he did so with a multitude of goodwill and large Democrat majorities in both the House & Senate. Shortly after that, Al Franken won the contested recount in the Minnesota Senate race and Arlen Specter defected from the GOP and joined the Democrats, giving them a filibuster-proof 60 vote majority in the Senate. Obama could’ve said the word and the Democrats could’ve written, voted on & passed a repeal of DADT without a single Republican vote in it’s favor, and Obama could’ve signed it into law just like he did with the so-called “stimulus” bill, and the health care “law” that was passed & signed against the will of a larger majority of the public than that which elected this President.

    One whole year into his term, and still stinging with Scott Brown’s improbable election to the Senate, Obama was taking heat from gay activists for making many promises during the campaign, but taking no action upon assuming office. It was in January that he called for the year long study in preparation of potentially repealing DADT, but now the wise policy of letting the survey be completed before rushing into repeal legislation is being abandoned.

    The only reason he’s pursuing this right now, is the same reason he’s also pursuing amnesty for illegal aliens, which Democrats are calling “immigration reform”…..it’s because during the health care fight, gay & immigration activists threatened to withhold support & affirmative votes unless their concerns were addressed. Obama knew that he would need every vote he could get to force the unpopular legislation through, which is why all of the bribes were made, lies were told and kickbacks & exemptions were given. He’s trying to push it all through now, and the Dems are in lock-step knowing that the loss of at least 1 and possibly both chambers of Congress are imminent, or at a minimum the GOP will gain enough seats to prevent any policy from being rubber stamped without at least some Republican support. It’s all political, and decisions that affect the military in such a profound way should not be based on political considerations. National security & defense of this Nation should be the overriding factors in which military policy is formed, especially at a time in which multiple wars are being fought.

  6. Princess says:

    Oddly enough, your status as a single mother would also disqualify you from enlisting in the military. hack is 100% correct there!
    my husband, as a 17 yr old kid couldn’t enlist until he MARRIED the mother of his child.
    i will never understand why people don’t understand that there are STANDARDS in EVERY organization……………they are there for different reasons of course.
    but the bottom line is STANDARDS are part of life.
    EVERYWHERE in EVERYTHING!!!!
    my two sons have spoken to me about this baloney as well. THEY ARE in the military. and again, they are in a UNIT…………no individuality…………UNIT. they are part of a UNIT. according to both of THEM (the one’s actually SERVING their country, unlike ANY of us except for hack) the general consensus among the ENLISTED that are SERVING ALL OF US is that homosexuals openly serving are busy serving THEMSELVES and their “individuality” rather than their UNIT.
    but sadly, NOT ONE of you even come CLOSE to understanding the UNIT. (not even me, since i’ve never been there)

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