Taking sides in Wisconsin.

President Obama commented about the Wisconsin conflict between elected officials and unelected Union members that we should all remember that Public sector union workers were our friends and neighbors.

I guess he means that before those in Wisconsin who still have private sector jobs (the type that pay the public sector union worker’s salary and retirement) come down hard on teachers who are making $80K in salary and benefits, they need to remember that those people are friends and neighbors.

One has to wonder how our President does math. If Group A contributed to a fund that continues to go down, and Group B draws from that fund and each year they demand more, basic math skills informs you that eventually there will be a day of reckoning. Since Public sector workers are paid from the tax dollars of the private sector worker, there needs to be an understanding that Group A can’t go on forever giving more to Group B when Group A runs out of funds.

President Obama has come out in support of Group B and against Group A. Isn’t he supposed to be the President of all Americans and not just union workers?

Maybe this explains why the Obama economy is so bad.

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12 Responses to Taking sides in Wisconsin.

  1. girlscout says:

    Sounds like you need to join a Union so that you, too, will be treated with the fairness and respect that every hardworking human being deserves.
    Full disclosure: I am a Union Member
    Conservative legislators are trying to obliterate public employee unions and they are using the most scynical of strategies: Turn workers against workers – union versus non-union – and then maybe no one will notice the ever-widening abyss between the wealthiest Americans and everyone else.
    It’s interesting that Wisconsin Governor Walker’s election campaign was given the maximum allowed in donations by the ultra-rich Charles and David Koch, (Hmmm, wonder what their ulterior motive was for that donation? ) Tim Phillips from Americans for Prosperity, has said that “The pampered nature of these employees needs to be reined in”. Really?? Union members are pampered? That’s news to me! I wonder how pampered The Koch brothers are? And, oh yeah, they have donated millions to Mr. Phillips cause. I wonder why?
    And BTW, various studies have shown that state and local employees wages and salaries are , on average, are 6% lower than those for private sector workers of equal education. The studies also showed that public employees’ earnings have been in decline for the past 20 years, as many employees and Unions have made concessions.
    A wise man once wrote, “The working classes didn’t bring this on. It was the big boys that thought the financial drunk was going to last forever and they overbought, overmerged and overcapitalized.” Wise words by Will Rogers that still hold true 70 years later.

    • hybridtalk1 says:

      GS – “Conservative legislators are trying to obliterate public employee unions and they are using the most scynical of strategies: Turn workers against workers – union versus non-union – and then maybe no one will notice the ever-widening abyss between the wealthiest Americans and everyone else.”

      Actually I think it is about the state of Winsconsin being out of money, private sector employees being crushed under the weight of public union contracts. We have the same here in Ohio. Note, that is Public unions, not private.
      With Public sector unions, we are the people paying their salaries and benefits and retirement. At some point, the salaries of our employees has gone to twice what we make, they have unlimited health care, and can retire at age 50. Now if I am paying their benefits, I should have some say in what they get.

  2. girlscout says:

    Here’s an idea. Why don’t the Koch Brothers just donate their money to the state of Wisconsin – then that would solve all the states money problems and end the protests.
    Also, is Governor Walker willing to make concessions with his pay and his pension and medical benefits? How about cutting his personal budget of lunches, dinners, dry cleaning, security etc. that the Wisconsin taxpapers are paying for? He is probably independenty wealthy and this will not hurt his family. On the other hand, many public employees of Wisconsin will be GREATLY affected by reducing their pay and benefits and it WILL hurt some families.

    • hybridtalk1 says:

      GS – “Here’s an idea. Why don’t the Koch Brothers just donate their money to the state of Wisconsin – then that would solve all the states money problems and end the protests.”

      Sounds like a bad investment to a group of people who demand from everyone but don’t give anything back. The governmet employee is like a bottomless pit when it comes to tax payers dollars.

    • hybridtalk1 says:

      GS – “Also, is Governor Walker willing to make concessions with his pay and his pension and medical benefits? How about cutting his personal budget of lunches, dinners, dry cleaning, security etc. that the Wisconsin taxpapers are paying for? He is probably independenty wealthy and this will not hurt his family.”

      Imagine you owned a business, and your employees managed to force you to pay them twice what you pay, and they get better health benefits than you, and they get to retire with full pay and benefits, while you have to work until you are 68 and have to take a low end health care program for you and your family because of the demands of those you employ.

      Questions to consider:

      How long would you expect to be in business?

      Who in this situation is the opressor?

      Is it fair that the one paying the bills be treated in such a way?

      Okay, now look at it this way. The people of the State pay the salaries of those workers, yet it looks like the people of the State work for the employees. That isn’t right.

  3. therealgirlscout says:

    You make it sound like these public workers just sit back and watch the money roll in.
    These public workers are WORKING for the state, county, city, etc. Yes, retirement at 50 is too early. But don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Fix what’s broken. Don’t scrap the whole system because of a few things that need fixing.

    • hybridtalk1 says:

      That is what they are trying to do, but the Union workers are acting like they are being asked to do something their employers (us) wouldn’t do. The fact is the Gov is trying to bring the royal Unions into the ranks of the people who pay their salaries and retirement, and healthcare…

  4. princess says:

    well girly, the don’t throw the bathwater with the baby anaylogy is missing ONE thing.
    if you don’t BREAK the unions entirely, they will continue to USE & ABUSE the power they have already been given by the democrats.
    and we will ALL be here again & again………….
    the ENTIRE system is BROKEN…………and it needs to be abolished.
    if a PRIVATE company CHOOSES to unionize………i’m all for it. it’s THEIR decision.
    but PUBLIC unions must GO! WE are the EMPLOYERS………….the average tax payer.

    and all that whining about the Koch brothers is ridiculous. the EARNED what they have…………EVERY SINGLE DIME……….they EARNED it. it’s THEIR MONEY.
    they don’t OWE it to anyone, regardless of what the liberals think about social justice and all that baloney…………

    they HAVE it………if you WANT it…………..EARN IT. (rhetorically speaking, not you particularly)

  5. therealgirlscout says:

    You always assume that I am against independently wealthy people. That’s not true. I never said they didn’t earn their money. I never said they couldn’t do WHATEVER they want with their money. I only questioned their donation of money to the governor’s election campaign. There’s always an ulterior motive. They’re looking for favors in the future when they need them.
    And of course, my comment on them donating their money to the state of Wisconsin was “tongue in cheek”. We all know that will never happen.

  6. princess says:

    funny how the very same thing can be and has been said about ACORN, SEIU and just about ANY UNION.
    they “donate” (translate pay off) any democrat they think will give it BACK to them in the form of some sort of “benefit”.
    questionable? certainly!!!
    but yet, when some evil “rich” guy gives money to a politician that’s NOT a democrat……..oh my! it’s horrible!

  7. girlscout says:

    No it’s not horrible. It’s the opposing side complaining as we all do on here. Just like you mentioned Unions, Acorn,etc. donating to the Democrats. And I have heard MANY complaints over the years in the blogs about these organziations supporting Democrats, so now it’s now it’s my turn to complain about someone donating large amounts of money to the Republicans. Fair is fair. My one-time complaint against the hundreds of complaints I have heard from conservatives in the past few years.

    • hybridtalk1 says:

      Any word yet if the Koch brothers have given advice to pimps and prostitutes on how they can beat the tax system and get tax dollars to fund underaged rape of children from Mexico?

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